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| Best Boy Electric |
 Posted: Wed 16 Mar, 2005 04:40 Post subject: Mac Folklore (for Apple fans) |
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Un lien pour les fans hardcores...
Le gars à gauche... il vous dit rien?
Mais oui, c'est Steve!
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| felipe |
| Posted: Wed 16 Mar, 2005 09:42 Post subject: |
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| Best Boy Electric |
| Posted: Wed 16 Mar, 2005 12:36 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | feleipe wrote:
beaucoup d'infos et d'anecdotes supplémentaires sur la naissance du mac : http://www.folklore.org/
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Ah merde t'es vraiment daltonien... essaies de cliquer sur le mot lien de mon premier message...
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| felipe |
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| Best Boy Electric wrote: | | Quote: | feleipe wrote:
beaucoup d'infos et d'anecdotes supplémentaires sur la naissance du mac : http://www.folklore.org/
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Ah merde t'es vraiment daltonien... essaies de cliquer sur le mot lien de mon premier message... |
c'est un peu plus compliqué que ça.
http://www.folklore.org/ est un site que je visite régulièrement et sur del-uks les liens déjà visités se confondent quasiment avec la couleur de fonds (en tout cas pour moi). en plus je suis souvent pas très attentif... |
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| Best Boy Electric |
| Posted: Mon 13 Jun, 2005 20:16 Post subject: |
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Live, Jobs Tells Stanford Grads
| Quote: | | Steve Jobs told Stanford University graduates Sunday that dropping out of college was one of the best decisions he ever made because it forced him to be innovative -- even when it came to finding enough money for dinner. |
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| Best Boy Electric wrote: | Live, Jobs Tells Stanford Grads
| Quote: | | Steve Jobs told Stanford University graduates Sunday that dropping out of college was one of the best decisions he ever made because it forced him to be innovative -- even when it came to finding enough money for dinner. |
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http://www.classicgaming.com/features/articles/atariapple/
Nolan [ceo of Atari in the 70's] had an idea for yet another pong type game ... He offered the project to Steve [Jobs] with an agreed payment of $700. Jobs, in his usual bravado, said he'd have it done in a couple of days.
Nolan also said there'd be a bonus - if he could keep the number of costly TTL (logic chips) down, he'd get a bonus for each one below 50. Steve quickly found himself incredibly underqualified to be able to design something so complex. So, he called on his friend Woz to help him out with the offer that they'd split the $700.
Wozniak had designed it by hand, under the continuing pressure of Jobs to get it done quick (though he wouldn't say why).
Woz's Breakout prototype was finished. Wozniak was able to get the number of TTL's down to a startling 36. Jobs took the prototype back to Nolan who was very impressed.
Either way, they gave Jobs the $500 plus the bonus - which turned out to be a total of $5,000! Jobs turned around paid an unknowing Wozniak the original $350 they had agreed upon.
"I was on a plane going to a user group club in Fort Lauderdale to promote the Mac.... Andy Hertzfeld [another Apple developer] had just read 'Zap!,' a book about Atari which said that Steve Jobs designed 'Breakout.' I explained to him that we both worked on it and got paid $700. Andy corrected me, 'No, it says here it was $5,000.' When I read in the book how Nolan Bushnell had actually paid Steve $5,000, I just cried."
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| Best Boy Electric |
| Posted: Mon 13 Jun, 2005 23:02 Post subject: |
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Q From e-mail:
I was in Barnes & Noble last night and stumbled onto a book by Gil Amelio which detailed his "500 days at Apple." I think his book was called "On the Firing Line." Anyway, given my interest in reading your comments in the wake of "Pirates," I looked up references to you. In one, he recounts your explanation of the Woz/Jobs friendship rift. He asserts that you told him that way back in the 70s, before the Apple I, you were working on something for Atari with Jobs. You did all of the work, and you and Jobs were supposed to get $1000. When you produced the product, Jobs gave it to Atari and came back to you with $300, saying all he got from them was $600. You didn't find out until the mid-eighties thatJobs actually did get $1000, and he ripped you off. Can you confirm this story?
WOZ:
I don't like to stir up old things that carry a negative note, but Steve was actually paid more like $3000 or $5000 or something. Nolan Bushnell, who paid him, gave the amount in a recent book, "Silicon Valley Guys." I was actually sort of thankful that Gil got it wrong, because it didn't sound as attrocious as it really was.
To clarify, this happened before Apple, when Steve and I were best friends with little to our names. Steve said we'd split it 50/50. If he'd just said that I could have $50 for doing it I would have done it anyway for the fun and honor of designing an arcade game.
You can see why I cried deeply when I found out the truth. I get hurt and cry very easily when people don't treat others well, or when the "right" thing isn't happening. Also, Steve doesn't remember the incident this way, so consider another possibility: that those saying the payment was large could be remembering it incorrectly. This is old stuff, and it's best not to use it as an indicator of Steve today.
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I've been meditating on the movie. My question is, did you give the best demo to your employers who had the non-competition agreement (offering them first ownership onanything you created). Ordid you deliberately blunder the demo in hopes they wouldn't see it?
WOZ:
I didn't want to start Apple. I loved Hewlett Packard and my job there. I tried my hardest to get them to go this way. A couple of my immediate bosses were very supportive in this. The lab manager was three levels above me. He was not pooh-poohing the market, as the movie shows. He was very much swayed. It's just that the early computer wasn't complete and finished enough to be a true Hewlett Packard-quality product.
At the time, I would much rather have had this project at HP than start Apple to do it. I'm sorry in one sense that they didn't go for it. I had a sort of shyness or anxiety disorder that wouldn't have let me dare risk anything akin to engineering piracy (from HP in this case).
Q from E-mail:
How did you feel at the 1997 MacWorld Expo when Jobs announced a semi-merger with Microsoft? Next, What do you think of the Anti-trust case against Microsoft? Do you think its a monopoly or just an extremenly competitive company? Also, what do you think of Jobs being appointed interim CEO of Apple? Do you tink that the new iMac is the answer to the companies decline?
Woz:
The1997 MacWorld Expo: In the sense which it is intended it's good. I'm non-confrontational for sure. But it was portrayed as Bill Gates cheering for Apple and that wasn't true
Regarding Microsoft: It's a monopoly. Microsoft has used it's monopoly powers in very bad ways. What if all the gas stations were owned by one company and they announced that they were modifying the nozzles to only fit their own brand of car? We'd have no choice and all the car companies would be out of business. If you're rich and don't like somebody who has a shoe store, you don't have the right to open a big shoe store across the street and price the shoes at half price just to put him out of business (and then be left with the rewards of a 'monopoly')
Jobs as CEO: At first I didn't like the fact that he would revive his own Next stuff within Apple, because some good Apple stuff would be shelved. But the products are great and leading the world to the future...Woz
Comment From e-mail:
I was watching the movie [Pirates of SIlicon Valley] yesterday (I'm in Canada so we rented at the video store) and got the impression that if you took more charge instead of Jobs, Apple would be in a much better position today. You looked like you were opposed to the infighting, and it looked like you thought Jobs was a little nuts at times. Do you agree?
Woz:
I think that it's fair to say that we'd have run things quite differently. I'm more into patience and talking and not fighting or having conflicts. I don't like to step on other's toes or call them idiots. I prefer to work with them to get better results.
But I think that would have been disastrous for Apple. A better partnership between the two of us might have helped more.
Q From e-mail:
Can you discuss the nature of your relationship with Steve Jobs at this time?
WOZ:
I actually like him and what he says. I couldn't treat people the way he does but I've never witnessed it either. He's quite intelligent and makes sense, although he doesn't always listen fully. For example, I might be trying to help and he might hear it more as a worthless complaint. I do not oppose Steve in any way. I'm even amazed if he really pulls off Apple's next decade successfully. I could never manage projects well, as Steve does, now that they are so complex with so many people involved.
Steve about the movie -Pirates of Silicon- (from Wozniak's www.woz.org) 
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Quelqu'un a-t-il vu le film: "Pirates of Silicon"?
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 (click on President Bush for a Wozniak interview about Segway and Apple)
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| unclefat wrote: | | Best Boy Electric wrote: | | Quelqu'un a-t-il vu le film: "Pirates of Silicon"? |
tu veux dire: Pirates of Silicon Valley (1999) ? |
si jamais, j'ai un super documentaire ( en divx) qui détaille la naissance de la micro-informatique, des pionniers de la fin des années 60 jusqu'à l'avènement de windows :
Triumph of the Nerds (1996) |
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| Quote: | | This video has been removed. Sorry Guys! |
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